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Your update is hilarious. Cowboy at http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/ "Michael" <muirh…@island.net> wrote in message

news:boa02a0sf3@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just so everyone knows… > In the previous message in this thread… I indulged in a little lying of my > own to prove a point. > The story below is in fact a satirical hoax which has been circulating for > almost a year on the internet. > The Toronto Star has never had a reporter named Lance Stone, the internet > domain "torontostar.com" does not exist (so Stone’s email address is a > fake,) > and most of the statements attributed to Mr. Walters are exaggerations or > outright fabrications. > Mr. Walters certainly never threatened even indirectly to use a nuclear > weapon on Canada. > The problem here should be obvious. > With the right information tailored and presented the right way beforehand, > spinning a tale that will convince people of dangers that do not exist is > child’s play. > Yes, I believe Mr. Walters and his message are dangerous, but only because > zealotry breeds unwillingness to see (and given enough power, a prohibition > of others seeing) plainly factual evidence which contradicts the message… > it breeds a total lack of respect for the whole truth. > Remember that Anslinger’s response to the LaGuardia report’s finding that > cannabis caused very little harm – if any at all – was to threaten doctors > with prison if they ever attempted furrther investigation without his > express permission (which he never gave from that day forward.) > Be careful when looking for answers in the unsupported pronouncements of the > powerful, the well-connected and the eloquent. > It can bite you on the bum, and it can hurt you. > ((U)) >   M > Michael wrote: > > Recall what’s been revealed over the past couple of days about Harry > > J. Anslinger… the guy who lied (and convinced others to lie,) and > > bullied first America and then the world into banning cannabis by > > making it seem dangerous – even when every reasoned analysis > > available at the time said exactly the opposite? > > Meet Harry J. Anslinger, Jr. > > AKA… John Walters of the Office of National Drug Control Policy. > > See anything familiar being said below? > > ((U)) > >   M > > November 23, 2002 > > Toronto Star > > Lance Stone, Reporter > > U.S. Drug Czar, John Walters, continued his tour of Canada today > > coming to Toronto. Yesterday, Mr. Walters was in Vancouver where he > > took the opportunity to warn Canadians about the six billion dollar > > BC marijuana industry that has helped result in record rates of > > marijuana addiction in the > > United States. > > Today Walters expanded on his Vancouver remarks by declaring that it > > was, indeed, Marc Emery who was making the six billion dollars naming > > him "Canada’s Seed Pushing Six Billion Dollar Man". He also clarified > > remarks about marijuana addicts seeking treatment explaining that > > nearly four million > > Americans were addicted to a drug more dangerous than heroin, > > cocaine, PCP, cigarettes, or alcohol. "They are dropping like flies > > down in the States and it could happen here too", declared the Czar. > > Walters expressed serious concern over recent reports that marijuana > > was responsible for soaring rates of schizophrenia, depression, and > > other forms of mental illness including anorexia dyslexia, a > > condition where patients can > > only read thin books backwards. "We have millions of deluded marijuana > > addicts whose brain chemistry is addled due to Canada’s crop of super > > pot". "They have lost their values and aims in life seeking only to > > overeat sugary treats and lay around the house disrespecting the > > government", he added. Walters suspects that Canadian super pot is > > being laced with the new underground drug "Blue" that is rapidly > > replacing Ecstasy in some college circles and is believed responsible > > for incidents of hypersexuality. > > The Bush Administration has warned Canada formally through diplomatic > > channels that unless Canada reverses the alleged "reform" efforts and > > adopts Americas zero tolerance policy that trade sanctions including > > a travel ban on > > Canadian hockey teams might result. Walters continued to support the > > use of the military to protect the international border and would not > > rule out preemptive strikes against marijuana manufacturing > > operations in the provinces. > > When questioned about the accuracy of remarks that marijuana is more > > dangerous than heroin or cocaine, Walter’s said that NIDA science was > > responsible for the new findings that marijuana is harder to kick > > than any known drug and is more likely to cause permanent brain > > damage than even sniffing glue or gasoline. "This new stuff is just > > dynamite", he declared stating further that today’s super pot was > > 300X more powerful than the pot of > > the 60’s or 70’s. > > When reporters pointed out that he had previously stated that > > marijuana today > > was 2X as strong then later 10X as strong, then still later 30X as > > strong, and now reported a 300X increase in potency, he shrugged it > > off and remarked, > > "What’s the difference? You smoke it, you go crazy, and violent crime > > and treason result". > > Mr. Walters has no plans to visit the Flin Flan mine where Health > > Canada was experimenting with growing medical marijuana. "The place > > should be closed and > > the crop burned or an earth penetrating smart munitions should be > > employed to > > end the failed experiment". > >    Lance Stone can be reached at St…@torontostar.com

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Just so everyone knows… In the previous message in this thread… I indulged in a little lying of my own to prove a point. The story below is in fact a satirical hoax which has been circulating for almost a year on the internet. The Toronto Star has never had a reporter named Lance Stone, the internet domain "torontostar.com" does not exist (so Stone’s email address is a fake,) and most of the statements attributed to Mr. Walters are exaggerations or outright fabrications. Mr. Walters certainly never threatened even indirectly to use a nuclear weapon on Canada. The problem here should be obvious. With the right information tailored and presented the right way beforehand, spinning a tale that will convince people of dangers that do not exist is child’s play. Yes, I believe Mr. Walters and his message are dangerous, but only because zealotry breeds unwillingness to see (and given enough power, a prohibition of others seeing) plainly factual evidence which contradicts the message… it breeds a total lack of respect for the whole truth. Remember that Anslinger’s response to the LaGuardia report’s finding that cannabis caused very little harm – if any at all – was to threaten doctors with prison if they ever attempted furrther investigation without his express permission (which he never gave from that day forward.) Be careful when looking for answers in the unsupported pronouncements of the powerful, the well-connected and the eloquent. It can bite you on the bum, and it can hurt you. ((U))   M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michael wrote: > Recall what’s been revealed over the past couple of days about Harry > J. Anslinger… the guy who lied (and convinced others to lie,) and > bullied first America and then the world into banning cannabis by > making it seem dangerous – even when every reasoned analysis > available at the time said exactly the opposite? > Meet Harry J. Anslinger, Jr. > AKA… John Walters of the Office of National Drug Control Policy. > See anything familiar being said below? > ((U)) >   M > November 23, 2002 > Toronto Star > Lance Stone, Reporter > U.S. Drug Czar, John Walters, continued his tour of Canada today > coming to Toronto. Yesterday, Mr. Walters was in Vancouver where he > took the opportunity to warn Canadians about the six billion dollar > BC marijuana industry that has helped result in record rates of > marijuana addiction in the > United States. > Today Walters expanded on his Vancouver remarks by declaring that it > was, indeed, Marc Emery who was making the six billion dollars naming > him "Canada’s Seed Pushing Six Billion Dollar Man". He also clarified > remarks about marijuana addicts seeking treatment explaining that > nearly four million > Americans were addicted to a drug more dangerous than heroin, > cocaine, PCP, cigarettes, or alcohol. "They are dropping like flies > down in the States and it could happen here too", declared the Czar. > Walters expressed serious concern over recent reports that marijuana > was responsible for soaring rates of schizophrenia, depression, and > other forms of mental illness including anorexia dyslexia, a > condition where patients can > only read thin books backwards. "We have millions of deluded marijuana > addicts whose brain chemistry is addled due to Canada’s crop of super > pot". "They have lost their values and aims in life seeking only to > overeat sugary treats and lay around the house disrespecting the > government", he added. Walters suspects that Canadian super pot is > being laced with the new underground drug "Blue" that is rapidly > replacing Ecstasy in some college circles and is believed responsible > for incidents of hypersexuality. > The Bush Administration has warned Canada formally through diplomatic > channels that unless Canada reverses the alleged "reform" efforts and > adopts Americas zero tolerance policy that trade sanctions including > a travel ban on > Canadian hockey teams might result. Walters continued to support the > use of the military to protect the international border and would not > rule out preemptive strikes against marijuana manufacturing > operations in the provinces. > When questioned about the accuracy of remarks that marijuana is more > dangerous than heroin or cocaine, Walter’s said that NIDA science was > responsible for the new findings that marijuana is harder to kick > than any known drug and is more likely to cause permanent brain > damage than even sniffing glue or gasoline. "This new stuff is just > dynamite", he declared stating further that today’s super pot was > 300X more powerful than the pot of > the 60’s or 70’s. > When reporters pointed out that he had previously stated that > marijuana today > was 2X as strong then later 10X as strong, then still later 30X as > strong, and now reported a 300X increase in potency, he shrugged it > off and remarked, > "What’s the difference? You smoke it, you go crazy, and violent crime > and treason result". > Mr. Walters has no plans to visit the Flin Flan mine where Health > Canada was experimenting with growing medical marijuana. "The place > should be closed and > the crop burned or an earth penetrating smart munitions should be > employed to > end the failed experiment". >    Lance Stone can be reached at St…@torontostar.com

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Recall what’s been revealed over the past couple of days about Harry J. Anslinger… the guy who lied (and convinced others to lie,) and bullied first America and then the world into banning cannabis by making it seem dangerous – even when every reasoned analysis available at the time said exactly the opposite? Meet Harry J. Anslinger, Jr. AKA… John Walters of the Office of National Drug Control Policy. See anything familiar being said below? ((U))   M November 23, 2002 Toronto Star Lance Stone, Reporter U.S. Drug Czar, John Walters, continued his tour of Canada today coming to Toronto. Yesterday, Mr. Walters was in Vancouver where he took the opportunity to warn Canadians about the six billion dollar BC marijuana industry that has helped result in record rates of marijuana addiction in the United States. Today Walters expanded on his Vancouver remarks by declaring that it was, indeed, Marc Emery who was making the six billion dollars naming him "Canada’s Seed Pushing Six Billion Dollar Man". He also clarified remarks about marijuana addicts seeking treatment explaining that nearly four million Americans were addicted to a drug more dangerous than heroin, cocaine, PCP, cigarettes, or alcohol. "They are dropping like flies down in the States and it could happen here too", declared the Czar. Walters expressed serious concern over recent reports that marijuana was responsible for soaring rates of schizophrenia, depression, and other forms of mental illness including anorexia dyslexia, a condition where patients can only read thin books backwards. "We have millions of deluded marijuana addicts whose brain chemistry is addled due to Canada’s crop of super pot". "They have lost their values and aims in life seeking only to overeat sugary treats and lay around the house disrespecting the government", he added. Walters suspects that Canadian super pot is being laced with the new underground drug "Blue" that is rapidly replacing Ecstasy in some college circles and is believed responsible for incidents of hypersexuality. The Bush Administration has warned Canada formally through diplomatic channels that unless Canada reverses the alleged "reform" efforts and adopts Americas zero tolerance policy that trade sanctions including a travel ban on Canadian hockey teams might result. Walters continued to support the use of the military to protect the international border and would not rule out preemptive strikes against marijuana manufacturing operations in the provinces. When questioned about the accuracy of remarks that marijuana is more dangerous than heroin or cocaine, Walter’s said that NIDA science was responsible for the new findings that marijuana is harder to kick than any known drug and is more likely to cause permanent brain damage than even sniffing glue or gasoline. "This new stuff is just dynamite", he declared stating further that today’s super pot was 300X more powerful than the pot of the 60’s or 70’s. When reporters pointed out that he had previously stated that marijuana today was 2X as strong then later 10X as strong, then still later 30X as strong, and now reported a 300X increase in potency, he shrugged it off and remarked, "What’s the difference? You smoke it, you go crazy, and violent crime and treason result". Mr. Walters has no plans to visit the Flin Flan mine where Health Canada was experimenting with growing medical marijuana. "The place should be closed and the crop burned or an earth penetrating smart munitions should be employed to end the failed experiment".    Lance Stone can be reached at St…@torontostar.com

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Parsons has never told me you are a troll.  I worked that out all by myself! Pretty clever for a gullible ADDer eh!  Goodbye Linda… Perhaps I’ll pop in to see you still rotting here in a couple of years’ time while I’m busy getting on with my life.

Parsons has been ‘rotting’ in here for much longer than linda has, yet I don’t see you insulting him. A little bit od selective perception,

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Parsons has never told me you are a troll.  I worked that out all by myself! Pretty clever for a gullible ADDer eh!  Goodbye Linda… Perhaps I’ll pop in to see you still rotting here in a couple of years’ time while I’m busy getting on with my life. Parsons has been ‘rotting’ in here for much longer than linda has, yet I don’t see you insulting him. A little bit od selective perception,

Discernment is a better description, I think, Graeme. Joe Parsons

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Parsons has never told me you are a troll.  I worked that out all by myself! Pretty clever for a gullible ADDer eh!  Goodbye Linda… Perhaps I’ll pop in to see you still rotting here in a couple of years’ time while I’m busy getting on with my life. Parsons has been ‘rotting’ in here for much longer than linda has, yet I don’t see you insulting him. A little bit od selective perception, Discernment is a better description, I think,

Wishful thinking on your part,  Joe.  . Discerning people be those who view a  poster with an interest in a book on sale about ADHD,  and/or seeking to connect with persons  with low self essteem to pose for pornograpy and to emply as sex phone operators,  or connect with  fresh flesh to seduce into BDSM and polyamoury the one trolling,   not the  posters whose sole  reason fro participating arises from their having ADD, or parenting a child with ADD.

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server.bigpond.net.au: Guilty conscience sweety?  Welcome to your first troll trap

I’m not your ’sweetie’, dear heart. Stick a sock in it. P~

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Another moderated forum (with a great, informative website attached) is http://forums.about.com/ab-add/start/

Thanks Buny… Looks good!

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If you’re ‘wading’, it is of your own free will. Reading anything online is a choice, not a compulsion. Stop blaming others for your own actions and choices.

Guilty conscience sweety?  Welcome to your first troll trap

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ironically,  the person he is thanking is the person he libeled a troll. Ironic indeed, but that’s life!  Even deranged, deceitful trolls like you offer the occasional good piece of advice.  Yours was particularly good because it led me to an environment where there are far fewer of the likes of you and your twisted cronies.  I’m still ever so thankful darling Parson’s shamelessly exploits the gullibility of people with ADHD by deceiving them about who the trolls on ASAD are. sigh Parsons has never told me you are a troll.  I worked that out all by myself! Pretty clever for a gullible ADDer eh!  Goodbye Linda…  Perhaps I’ll pop in to see you still rotting here in a couple of years’ time while I’m busy getting on with my life.

Linda??? I try to inform most new posters to ASAD of  the moderated support Forums at ADHD.com.  Especially new posters whose self description of thier problem suggests hyperREactivity and disinhbition is at the core of their problem, since the consensus of experts is that hyperREactivity and disinhbition are the core problem of those with ADHD. I inform newcomers fitting the Dx criteria of ADHD about ADHD.com moderated forums in  recognition  that anyone with hyperREactivity and disinhbition at the core of aDHD might be a bit too vulnerable to withstand the type of abuse people with hyperREactivity and disinhbition are at the receiving end of from those trolling ASAD with personal agendas,  perhaps related to their being booksellers,  porn operators,  magazine editors,  drug co. stockholders,  webmasters,  psyd’s,  polyamouros,  etc. etc. . I didn’t inform you about ADHD.com because your  self description of your problem,  your expressing a commonality with the real trolls,  your unprovoked aggression on those with hyperREactivity and disinhbition, and your posting of schizo posts like the one I am replying to where you thank someone,  while personally attacking,  them suggests your problem might be one fo the 50 other disorders having symptoms in common with ADHD, Seeing how you decided you had ADHD owing to literature you read while websurfing,  you might want to keep reading more literature about neuropsych disorders,  just to see if you can identify with descriptions of disorders sharing symptoms but owing to a different cause than ADHD;  schizoid personality disorder,  and schizoaffective disorder are ones come to mind first. In any event,  best wishes to your resolving your problem whatever it may be.. Oh, and  try not to attack  too many posters on the ADHD.com forums because you "imagine" them to be me.<g.

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Owing to the posters having expressed their having had a hard time of it, and such making people increasingly vulnerable to being triggered by others behaving badly,  I am adding a link to the MODERATED on line support forums for ADHD at  ADHD.Com  which provide an environment that is emotionally safer.for those with ADHD. http://www.adhd.com/forumhead.html

What a godsend!  I can’t believe I hadn’t come across that forum before. Thanks a lot for the heads up Havana.  There are some great people in this newsgroup but I’m sick of wading through a barrage of maniacs to read quality posts.  I’ve embarrassed myself once already by biting at troll bait, and that’s once too often in my book!

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What a godsend!  I can’t believe I hadn’t come across that forum before. Thanks a lot for the heads up Havana.  There are some great people in this newsgroup but I’m sick of wading through a barrage of maniacs to read quality posts.  I’ve embarrassed myself once already by biting at troll bait, and that’s once too often in my book!

If you’re ‘wading’, it is of your own free will. Reading anything online is a choice, not a compulsion. Stop blaming others for your own actions and choices.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What a godsend!  I can’t believe I hadn’t come across that forum before. Thanks a lot for the heads up Havana.  There are some great people in this newsgroup but I’m sick of wading through a barrage of maniacs to read quality posts.  I’ve embarrassed myself once already by biting at troll bait, and that’s once too often in my book! If you’re ‘wading’, it is of your own free will. Reading anything online is a choice, not a compulsion. Stop blaming others for your own actions and choices.

Ironically,  the person he is thanking is the person he libeled a troll. Parson’s shamelessly exploits the gullibility of people with ADHD by deceiving them about who the trolls on ASAD are. sigh .

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What a godsend!  I can’t believe I hadn’t come across that forum before. Thanks a lot for the heads up Havana.  There are some great people in this newsgroup but I’m sick of wading through a barrage of maniacs to read quality posts.  I’ve embarrassed myself once already by biting at troll bait, and that’s once too often in my book!

Another moderated forum (with a great, informative website attached) is http://forums.about.com/ab-add/start/ Buny

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Ironically,  the person he is thanking is the person he libeled a troll.

Ironic indeed, but that’s life!  Even deranged, deceitful trolls like you offer the occasional good piece of advice.  Yours was particularly good because it led me to an environment where there are far fewer of the likes of you and your twisted cronies.  I’m still ever so thankful darling Parson’s shamelessly exploits the gullibility of people with ADHD by deceiving them about who the trolls on ASAD are. sigh

Parsons has never told me you are a troll.  I worked that out all by myself! Pretty clever for a gullible ADDer eh!  Goodbye Linda…  Perhaps I’ll pop in to see you still rotting here in a couple of years’ time while I’m busy getting on with my life.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m not going to blame my condition for my being rude. I don’t know how to express myself very well these days. I was in a mental health hospital for eleven days and I can’t think very clearly. I am very depressed. Welcome to the group. and you are not being rude. When I read about another person problems it was like a light came on. Please give me a chance to explain before you start calling me stupid. My life has been a disaster since kindergarten . I never finished high school. I never was able to work at on job with out constantly being in trouble. I have been alcoholic for 30 years. I always thought I could cover up my being stupid by being a drunk. I have had a problem with anything that requires my attention. When I was in school I could not understand why teachers would get so angry with me. They would use words like self control and concentrate. They would do all they could to humiliate me into behaving. The more they made me feel bad the less I was able to concentrate. The people who do not have our difficulties just do not see the damage that reults from them. My parents had me talk to a physiologist. They were told that I had minimal brain dysfunction and dyslexia. I remember my mom telling me I had to start behaving or else they would have to put me in a home. They said they could not afford to have me see a physiatrist. I look back and see how painful and humiliating my life has been and I know that had I had some help my life could have taken a smoother path. If I could have at least learn how to concentrate and use self control. I see it now but it’s to late.My next door neighbor told me I was to far gone to even think about going to school. Why listen to such a neighbour. We all need encouragement,not putting down.I can’t see that you are too far gone. you managed to do this post didn’t you? When I try to understand what my problem is I can’t see how to change. I see that allot of people say that the medicines they use are over prescribed. If anybody ever had to endure the painful existence that I have they would not think that at all. How can I learn to concentrate? When I try it’s hard to explain. I know I am easily distracted but when another person is with me I get so self conscience I just can’t think at all. That’s when I know I will be humiliated and criticized. I am slow, stupid what ever. What you describe is not stupidity-it is a misplaced lack of self esteem. Why do you smart people always see to think you can shame people into being smart. Being stupid is the last thing anyone wants to be. I was homeless for about three months last year and even the homeless folks thought that I wasn’t to bright. Sure I am depressed. Anything I do people have to let me know how stupid I am. When I was in the Looney bin they told me I am slightly below average intelligence. That’s just one more thing that I should hate myself for. I wish I could have learned how to learn. If anyone thinks that this disorder is just being lazy they should spend sometime with me.People I have had to work with or have any sort of interaction with me get so angry at me. If I could I would do my best not to piss anybody off. Sometimes people think I am being anti social when I avoid them. I think it’s sort of strange that at the last job I had I was written up for day dreaming. Most of the time I don’t even know I’m doing it. Then I feel stupid. It is as if I am in another time zone. I wish it was that easy to just think my way through it.I’m sorry for rambling but I am feeling sorry for myself and it is helping me to unload this. If any one out there has any ideas as to how I can improve the quality of my life e.g books, websites ect. Thanks for listening.Next time I will try to be a little more organized. Lots of luck, Mike I think you should try to get an evaluation form someone who is a specialist in the field of adhd and communication problems. They would know about the right treatment for your age(whatever that is). I hope things improve for you but keep in touch. There is always someone here who has been where you are. Wendy

What a great reply!  . I have nothing to say except,  listen to Wendy. Owing to the posters having expressed their having had a hard time of it, and such making people increasingly vulnerable to being triggered by  others behaving badly,  I am adding a link to the MODERATED on line support forums for ADHD at  ADHD.Com  which provide an environment that is emotionally safer.for those with ADHD. http://www.adhd.com/forumhead.html

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 Hello, I’m not going to blame my condition for my being rude. I don’t know how to express myself very well these days. I was in a mental health hospital for eleven days and I can’t think very clearly. I am very depressed. When I read about another person problems it was like a light came on. Please give me a chance to explain before you start calling me stupid. My life has been a disaster since kindergarten . I never finished high school. I never was able to work at on job with out constantly being in trouble. I have been alcoholic for 30 years. I always thought I could cover up my being stupid by being a drunk. I have had a problem with anything that requires my attention. When I was in school I could not understand why teachers would get so angry with me. They would use words like self control and concentrate. They would do all they could to humiliate me into behaving. The more they made me feel bad the less I was able to concentrate. My parents had me talk to a physiologist. They were told that I had minimal brain dysfunction and dyslexia. I remember my mom telling me I had to start behaving or else they would have to put me in a home. They said they could not afford to have me see a physiatrist. I look back and see how painful and humiliating my life has been and I know that had I had some help my life could have taken a smoother path. If I could have at least learn how to concentrate and use self control. I see it now but it’s to late.My next door neighbor told me I was to far gone to even think about going to school. When I try to understand what my problem is I can’t see how to change. I see that allot of people say that the medicines they use are over prescribed. If anybody ever had to endure the painful existence that I have they would not think that at all. How can I learn to concentrate? When I try it’s hard to explain. I know I am easily distracted but when another person is with me I get so self conscience I just can’t think at all. That’s when I know I will be humiliated and criticized. I am slow, stupid what ever. Why do you smart people always see to think you can shame people into being smart. Being stupid is the last thing anyone wants to be. I was homeless for about three months last year and even the homeless folks thought that I wasn’t to bright. Sure I am depressed. Anything I do people have to let me know how stupid I am. When I was in the Looney bin they told me I am slightly below average intelligence. That’s just one more thing that I should hate myself for. I wish I could have learned how to learn. If anyone thinks that this disorder is just being lazy they should spend sometime with me.People I have had to work with or have any sort of interaction with me get so angry at me. If I could I would do my best not to piss anybody off. Sometimes people think I am being anti social when I avoid them. I think it’s sort of strange that at the last job I had I was written up for day dreaming. Most of the time I don’t even know I’m doing it. Then I feel stupid. It is as if I am in another time zone. I wish it was that easy to just think my way through it.I’m sorry for rambling but I am feeling sorry for myself and it is helping me to unload this. If any one out there has any ideas as to how I can improve the quality of my life e.g books, websites ect. Thanks for listening.Next time I will try to be a little more organized. Lots of luck, Mike

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Hello, I’m not going to blame my condition for my being rude. I don’t know how to express myself very well these days. I was in a mental health hospital for eleven days and I can’t think very clearly. I am very depressed.

Welcome to the group. and you are not being rude. When I read about another person problems it was like a light came on. Please give me a chance to explain before you start calling me stupid. My life has been a disaster since kindergarten . I never finished high school. I never was able to work at on job with out constantly being in trouble. I have been alcoholic for 30 years. I always thought I could cover up my being stupid by being a drunk. I have had a problem with anything that requires my attention. When I was in school I could not understand why teachers would get so angry with me. They would use words like self control and concentrate. They would do all they could to humiliate me into behaving. The more they made me feel bad the less I was able to concentrate.

The people who do not have our difficulties just do not see the damage that reults from them. My parents had me talk to a physiologist. They were told that I had minimal brain dysfunction and dyslexia. I remember my mom telling me I had to start behaving or else they would have to put me in a home. They said they could not afford to have me see a physiatrist. I look back and see how painful and humiliating my life has been and I know that had I had some help my life could have taken a smoother path. If I could have at least learn how to concentrate and use self control. I see it now but it’s to late.My next door neighbor told me I was to far gone to even think about going to school.

Why listen to such a neighbour. We all need encouragement,not putting down.I can’t see that you are too far gone. you managed to do this post didn’t you? When I try to understand what my problem is I can’t see how to change. I see that allot of people say that the medicines they use are over prescribed. If anybody ever had to endure the painful existence that I have they would not think that at all. How can I learn to concentrate? When I try it’s hard to

explain. I know I am easily distracted but when another person is with me I get so self conscience I just can’t think at all. That’s when I know I will be humiliated and criticized. I am slow, stupid what ever.

What you describe is not stupidity-it is a misplaced lack of self esteem. Why do you smart – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – people always see to think you can shame people into being smart. Being stupid is the last thing anyone wants to be. I was homeless for about three months last year and even the homeless folks thought that I wasn’t to bright. Sure I am depressed. Anything I do people have to let me know how stupid I am. When I was in the Looney bin they told me I am slightly below average intelligence. That’s just one more thing that I should hate myself for. I wish I could have learned how to learn. If anyone thinks that this disorder is just being lazy they should spend sometime with me.People I have had to work with or have any sort of interaction with me get so angry at me. If I could I would do my best not to piss anybody off. Sometimes people think I am being anti social when I avoid them. I think it’s sort of strange that at the last job I had I was written up for day dreaming. Most of the time I don’t even know I’m doing it. Then I feel stupid. It is as if I am in another time zone. I wish it was that easy to just think my way through it.I’m sorry for rambling but I am feeling sorry for myself and it is helping me to unload this. If any one out there has any ideas as to how I can improve the quality of my life e.g books, websites ect. Thanks for listening.Next time I will try to be a little more organized. Lots of luck, Mike

I think you should try to get an evaluation form someone who is a specialist in the field of adhd and communication problems. They would know about the right treatment for your age(whatever that is). I hope things improve for you but keep in touch. There is always someone here who has been where you are. Wendy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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In my experience I have always stated that I am a diabetic whenever filling in job applications.It seems better to be upfront with future employers, and in most cases they won’t think twice about Diabetes they respect your honesty. Good Luck Carl Type 1 19 Years

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m just filling in the equal opps form for a new job. It asks the question do I have an impairment to which I usually reply no as I do not consider my diabetes to be a disability or impairment. However below the yes/no box there is a list of possible impairments including ‘unseen impairment e.g. diabetes’. Should I therefore tick as having an impairment? In the small print at the bottom of the form it reads ‘the section on impairment is designed to capture not only whether you consider yourself to have an impairment, but also the nature of that impairment’ As a don’t consider myself to have an impairment do I therefore not tick the diabetes box? Confused!! Hope that makes sense Louise

I do not think that you are legaly obliged to fill this form in. I believe it is an ‘umbrella’ and the information will be used as a statistical buffer against any accusation of unfair/discriminatory treatment or behaviour. Personaly, I always fail to complete forms similar to this because I find them discriminatory in themselves because they ask me to classify myself which I am not necessarily prepared to do. If there is no compleing reason to complete it then don’t. Otherwise as you say above. To be honest it is very badly witten. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Below is the part of the form I’m not sure about. The stars are actually the boxes to tick 4. I have an impairment *                             I do not have an impairment * If you have an impairment please tick the appropriate box Dyslexia *                                                       Need personal care/support * Blind/partially sighted*                                      Wheelchair user/mobility difficulties * Deaf/hearing impairment *                                Multiple impairments (please describe) * Mental health difficulties  * …. Other (please describe) *                                  Unseen impairment e.g. diabetes, epilepsy, asthma EXPLANATORY NOTES: This information can play an important role in monitoring whether people apply for, or are offered jobs, or stay with their employer after their circumstances have changed.  The section on impairment is designed to capture not only whether you consider yourself to have an impairment, but also the nature of that impairment.  The ethnic classification used on this form is that adopted for the 2001 Census. Trade Unions are fully represented on the University’s Equal Opportunities Committee and this Committee monitors the information provided on this form. Information provided will be used in accordance with the University’s registration under the Data Protection Act (1998).  For unsuccessful applicants, the information will only be used for statistical purposes and kept for two years.

Pete – Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin

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Hi I’m just filling in the equal opps form for a new job. It asks the question do I have an impairment to which I usually reply no as I do not consider my diabetes to be a disability or impairment. However below the yes/no box there is a list of possible impairments including ‘unseen impairment e.g. diabetes’. Should I therefore tick as having an impairment? In the small print at the bottom of the form it reads ‘the section on impairment is designed to capture not only whether you consider yourself to have an impairment, but also the nature of that impairment’ As a don’t consider myself to have an impairment do I therefore not tick the diabetes box? Confused!! Hope that makes sense Louise Below is the part of the form I’m not sure about. The stars are actually the boxes to tick 4. I have an impairment *                             I do not have an impairment *  If you have an impairment please tick the appropriate box Dyslexia *                                                       Need personal care/support * Blind/partially sighted*                                      Wheelchair user/mobility difficulties * Deaf/hearing impairment *                                Multiple impairments (please describe) * Mental health difficulties  * …. Other (please describe) *                                  Unseen impairment e.g. diabetes, epilepsy, asthma EXPLANATORY NOTES: This information can play an important role in monitoring whether people apply for, or are offered jobs, or stay with their employer after their circumstances have changed.  The section on impairment is designed to capture not only whether you consider yourself to have an impairment, but also the nature of that impairment.  The ethnic classification used on this form is that adopted for the 2001 Census. Trade Unions are fully represented on the University’s Equal Opportunities Committee and this Committee monitors the information provided on this form. Information provided will be used in accordance with the University’s registration under the Data Protection Act (1998).  For unsuccessful applicants, the information will only be used for statistical purposes and kept for two years.

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People with diabetes who are being treated by medication would normally come within the scope of the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) (which, in the case of diabetes, looks at a person’s condition as if they were not receiving treatment) and receive the protection afforded by the Act. Generally, the completion of equal opportunity sections of application forms is voluntary and the information used to monitor the effectiveness of the company’s equal opportunity policy.  In the case of people who come within the scope of the DDA it also alerts a future employer that they may, at some stage, have to consider reasonable adjustments to the job or the wotking environment to enable the disbled person to do it.  Some companies also operate the Government 2 ticks scheme whereby disabled people will be guaranteed an interview if they satisfy the minimum job requirements. Doug

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …. Other (please describe) *                                  Unseen impairment e.g. diabetes, epilepsy, asthma EXPLANATORY NOTES: This information can play an important role in monitoring whether people apply for, or are offered jobs, or stay with their employer after their circumstances have changed.  The section on impairment is designed to capture not only whether you consider yourself to have an impairment, but also the nature of that impairment.  The ethnic classification used on this form is that adopted for the 2001 Census. Trade Unions are fully represented on the University’s Equal Opportunities Committee and this Committee monitors the information provided on this form. Information provided will be used in accordance with the University’s registration under the Data Protection Act (1998).  For unsuccessful applicants, the information will only be used for statistical purposes and kept for two years.

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Louise, tell them what they need to know. It costs nothing to be honest. Most of those forms are either for health and safety requirements or to provide adequate information to the right people. Few companies will use it for automatic disqualification. Otherwise, ask the HR department who the contracting medical officers are and discuss it with them. They will know the requirements of the company and they will treat your request confidentially. The majority of companies use contract practices to oversee H&S rules.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I’m just filling in the equal opps form for a new job. It asks the question do I have an impairment to which I usually reply no as I do not consider my diabetes to be a disability or impairment. However below the yes/no box there is a list of possible impairments including ‘unseen impairment e.g. diabetes’. Should I therefore tick as having an impairment? In the small print at the bottom of the form it reads ‘the section on impairment is designed to capture not only whether you consider yourself to have an impairment, but also the nature of that impairment’ As a don’t consider myself to have an impairment do I therefore not tick the diabetes box? Confused!! Hope that makes sense Louise Below is the part of the form I’m not sure about. The stars are actually the boxes to tick — – 4. I have an impairment *                             I do not have an impairment *  If you have an impairment please tick the appropriate box Dyslexia *                                                       Need personal care/support * Blind/partially sighted*                                      Wheelchair user/mobility difficulties * Deaf/hearing impairment *                                Multiple impairments (please describe) * Mental health difficulties  *

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …. Other (please describe) *                                  Unseen impairment e.g. diabetes, epilepsy, asthma EXPLANATORY NOTES: This information can play an important role in monitoring whether people apply for, or are offered jobs, or stay with their employer after their circumstances have changed.  The section on impairment is designed to capture not only whether you consider yourself to have an impairment, but also the nature of that impairment.  The ethnic classification used on this form is that adopted for the 2001 Census. Trade Unions are fully represented on the University’s Equal Opportunities Committee and this Committee monitors the information provided on this form. Information provided will be used in accordance with the University’s registration under the Data Protection Act (1998).  For unsuccessful applicants, the information will only be used for statistical purposes and kept for two years.

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Hi I’m just filling in the equal opps form for a new job. It asks the question do I have an impairment to which I usually reply no as I do not consider my diabetes to be a disability or impairment.

You’re kidding yourself. Get the form filled in, it might be to your advantage if you have a funny do at work and your work mates and bosses know what’s up.

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Are you saying that you do not believe whole-heartedly the movie, All Dogs Go To Heaven? My cat assures me that no dogs go to heaven.  Of course, she’s a bigot.

Bigotry is okayed by the "cat"echism.

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You have to also account for all the other Hebrew stories with regard to Lilith and such.  And, as far as lions go, where does the dinosaur record fall? Why do I have to account for this? You are talking nonsense here Sean, try to follow along.

I am agreeing with you that Genesis is not to be taken literally.  First, there are two creation accounts, but those are not the only two accounts revered by Jews.  There are many, many stories regarding creation and the fall of man.  You attack me when I argue your side?

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Thank God (pun intended) that the medical community started treating people for mental illness instead of throwing up their hands claiming everything was demonic possession. The problem isn’t treating mentally ill people, the problem is treating people who do not, and then proceeding to treat them including the use of shock treatments all under the guise of science. Psychology to this day is controversial, the unethical "treatments" and "therapies" continue to harm some people to this day. I’m not too sure I want to thank God for the harm done to people in the name of science, any more than I wish to thank him for the harm done in the name of religion.

Medicine (science) has a long way to go to catch up with the pains done by religion.

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I don’t believe Genesis is a literal intrepretation of what happened. Genesis is a story not of sin, but of love. God cursed the serpent, and God promised a Savior born of a woman would crush the head of the serpent. Man did not lose dominion over the animals, but man will account to God his treatment of animals. The theme of man being responsible to God for his actions is first presented in Genesis. God made clothes out of animal skins for Adam and Eve, so they did not lose dominion, and it was out of love that God did this despite their sin. Important message there, God may punish us for our sins but He still loves us. I don’t think that lions suddenly became carnivore’s after the fall. I could be wrong but that has never occured to me. I will have to think on this.

You have to also account for all the other Hebrew stories with regard to Lilith and such.  And, as far as lions go, where does the dinosaur record fall?

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Wasn’t that because psychiatrists said it was best? Didn’t psychiatrists tell the world that epilepsy was another mental illness, recommend they be sent to institutions and then proceed to use shock treatments on people for a wide range of "mental illnesses"?

Thank God (pun intended) that the medical community started treating people for mental illness instead of throwing up their hands claiming everything was demonic possession.

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If animals have immoratal souls, yet no freewill, they are ashured heaven (of a sort) – are they not? Are you saying that you do not believe whole-heartedly the movie, All Dogs Go To Heaven?

My cat assures me that no dogs go to heaven.  Of course, she’s a bigot.

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If animals have immoratal souls, yet no freewill, they are ashured heaven (of a sort) – are they not?

Are you saying that you do not believe whole-heartedly the movie, All Dogs Go To Heaven?

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Yes – but some funky things happend when Abam/Eve sinned – they lost their rule over the animals. Also somehow this sin affected the behavior (nature???) of the animal kingdom too. The Lion no longer was at peace with the Sheep – instead death/strife/carnivore vs. herbevore. I feel there is an important message here in Genesis – but I haven’t pondered it enough to figure out the Man’s sin – animal behavior change – yet.

This is only if you believe in at least one of the two creation accounts in Genesis to the letter.  Surely you must reason that that book is meant to teach lessons and explain our origin, but in no more true a way than fairy tales or Greek mythology.  If you choose to say that it is the word of God and is correct to a T, then you must say that all the Bible is literal and directly from God.  There are way too many contradictions and half-truths to make this a logical conclusion.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t believe Genesis is a literal intrepretation of what happened. Genesis is a story not of sin, but of love. God cursed the serpent, and God promised a Savior born of a woman would crush the head of the serpent. Man did not lose dominion over the animals, but man will account to God his treatment of animals. The theme of man being responsible to God for his actions is first presented in Genesis. God made clothes out of animal skins for Adam and Eve, so they did not lose dominion, and it was out of love that God did this despite their sin. Important message there, God may punish us for our sins but He still loves us. I don’t think that lions suddenly became carnivore’s after the fall. I could be wrong but that has never occured to me. I will have to think on this.

Now you got me curious – I will re-read Genesis this week  and ponder . do you have a recomendation on a good translation? The only one I have is King James (I like, but not sure of accuracy of translation). My dyslexia prevents my ability to spell well, but my vocabulary is very good so those arcane words aren o problem (I like "Bruit" (in Naham) – though never used it in a sentance) ;-/ If animals have immoratal souls, yet no freewill, they are ashured heaven (of a sort) – are they not? Only those made in the image of God have the potential for eternal life. Is this stated explicitely? – I thought that was salvation (not the same thing). There is a lot of debate about this. In Romans Paul talks about animals having eternal life. I do not rule out that animals can not be possibly be in heaven, I rule out that we will need them in heaven to complete our happiness.

Interesting – I avoid Paul’s books – in fact never read any of Paul’s stuff. – it’s personal ;-/ I may look for the reference however. I am aware that the Bible talks about horses in heaven. I believe it is figurative, not that heaven has horses there. Cool – never knew this!! – do you remeber where it is?? The Book of Revelation mentions horses often.

Oh yes – my favorite book in the NT. Yes I beleive those were not meant to be taken literally – but figuratively/symbolically. I really like Revelations — An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best? He replied: ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’ I saw a tyrant sleeping half the day. I said: ‘This confusion, if sleep removes it, so much the better; But he whose sleep is better than his wakefulness Is better dead than leading such a bad life.’

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – at What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul?? The reading from a letter of John today said that all who love are born of God.  Our animal friends love, so they must be born of God! Except for my cat, she’s the Queen of Evil. oh, no.. the ‘queen of evil’ can not possibly reside in your house..she’s residing in mine!!!!  ;-) geez – what do you feed your cats?? my cat’s a little darling — to me. bitchy to others

Mine’s a prima donna of a Siamese.  She has this kind of dominatrix personality, loving when pleased, tyrannical and fearsome when she’s not!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does a several retarded or brain damaged baby/child/adult have the ability to reason?  Does a vegetable or a person in a coma have free will?  Actually , in the middle ages up through the 1920’s that was the argument they made to house these poor people in institutions. Even epileptics were lumped in. Talk about an abomination.  Dawn Wasn’t that because psychiatrists said it was best? Didn’t psychiatrists tell the world that epilepsy was another mental illness, recommend they be sent to institutions and then proceed to use shock treatments on people for a wide range of "mental illnesses"? I think that depends on love. You can believe people are mentally ill, possessed by demons, or just bad; but if you love them you will try to help them. If you’re just looking for an excuse to put them away, or whatever, than it’s all the same. Well, just a thought. -Steve

 Exactly , my own brother suffers with a so called mental illness, yet he can play music that could make you cry and he writes all of his songs. That is why I call it mental enhancement. In many cases it is.  Dawn

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I don’t have any particular favorite translation. When I read just for me, I choose the NAB, it is accurate and is very readable. http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/

thanks for the link! – reading on screen sucks, but I’ll lok for this version at the bookstore down the streed B&B or Borders should have it – and with all the couches, one need not buy to read . God I’m cheap ;-/ — An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best? He replied: ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’ I saw a tyrant sleeping half the day. I said: ‘This confusion, if sleep removes it, so much the better; But he whose sleep is better than his wakefulness Is better dead than leading such a bad life.’

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – at What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul?? The reading from a letter of John today said that all who love are born of God.  Our animal friends love, so they must be born of God! Except for my cat, she’s the Queen of Evil. oh, no.. the ‘queen of evil’ can not possibly reside in your house..she’s residing in mine!!!!  ;-) geez – what do you feed your cats?? my cat’s a little darling — to me. bitchy to others

well, 1 evil kitty out of 3 kitties… the evil kitty is 16 years old. the only people she ‘cuddles up to’ are those who don’t like cats. go figure. Paula

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – at What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul?? The reading from a letter of John today said that all who love are born of God.  Our animal friends love, so they must be born of God! Except for my cat, she’s the Queen of Evil. oh, no.. the ‘queen of evil’ can not possibly reside in your house..she’s residing in mine!!!!  ;-)

geez – what do you feed your cats?? my cat’s a little darling — to me. bitchy to others — An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best? He replied: ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’ I saw a tyrant sleeping half the day. I said: ‘This confusion, if sleep removes it, so much the better; But he whose sleep is better than his wakefulness Is better dead than leading such a bad life.’

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Because they were not created in the image of God, man was.

OK – I never thought of "the image of God" to be associated with immortality of the soul myself. To me I’ve always viewed this to mean that Man’s personality and capabilies (emotions and ability to reason – thus freewill) were a lesser copy of God’s personality. I’m speaking from my interpretation of Genesis – not my personal codex here. Likewise I’ve always viewed aminals as similar WRT us (we are Godlike, and the animals are the "humans" ). Each less advanced animal likewise related to the more advanced ones. Basically a stairs with god at the top, men right under, etc…, and bacteria onthe bottom step. However all have at least some aspect of God since they were created by him. I see the freewill and lck of aspect of man/animals — not the immortal one though. God placed man over the animals.

Yes – but some funky things happend when Abam/Eve sinned – they lost their rule over the animals. Also somehow this sin affected the behavior (nature???) of the animal kingdom too. The Lion no longer was at peace with the Sheep – instead death/strife/carnivore vs. herbevore. I feel there is an important message here in Genesis – but I haven’t pondered it enough to figure out the Man’s sin – animal behavior change – yet. If animals have immoratal souls, yet no freewill, they are ashured heaven (of a sort) – are they not? Only those made in the image of God have the potential for eternal life.

Is this stated explicitely? – I thought that was salvation (not the same thing). I am aware that the Bible talks about horses in heaven. I believe it is figurative, not that heaven has horses there.

Cool – never knew this!! – do you remeber where it is?? Some people think that if a beloved pet will make them happy if it’s there is heaven with them, God will bring their pet. I find it totally childish, heaven is the state of being in the Presence of Almighty God, who the heck would need a dog or a fish to complete their happiness? It’s silly and illustrates one’s inability to realize what heaven is and all about.

I understand – i think those folks just are lonely and love their pets – so wish to have them as company forever. AKAIK the bible does not address my issues WRT pets/animals. Mankind has had pets since pre-historical times, so even in Jesus’s day folks had pets (probably only the richer ones who had enough food to feed a pet) — An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best? He replied: ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’ I saw a tyrant sleeping half the day. I said: ‘This confusion, if sleep removes it, so much the better; But he whose sleep is better than his wakefulness Is better dead than leading such a bad life.’

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What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul??

The reading from a letter of John today said that all who love are born of God.  Our animal friends love, so they must be born of God! Except for my cat, she’s the Queen of Evil.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul?? I believe animals have souls as the soul is spirit and the spirit gives life. I don’t however believe that animals have the same kind of souls that people have, that is, immortal. The difference being that people are different than animals in that we have the ability to reason, and we have free will. A dog will always be a dog. A person who is a "dog" does not have to remain a "dog" the entire time he lives in this world. A person is able to discover the Spirit inside, the animal does not realize he even has one. The ability to know the Spirit is a gift from God to humans not to animals.

Ok – this would imply that animals cannot sin – right? It animals have souls, why are they not immortal? – what does immortility have to do with being saved. The sinners go to hell to burn, while their sould live on forever. If animals have immoratal souls, yet no freewill, they are ashured heaven (of a sort) – are they not? — An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best? He replied: ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’ I saw a tyrant sleeping half the day. I said: ‘This confusion, if sleep removes it, so much the better; But he whose sleep is better than his wakefulness Is better dead than leading such a bad life.’

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What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul?? The reading from a letter of John today said that all who love are born of God.  Our animal friends love, so they must be born of God! Except for my cat, she’s the Queen of Evil.

oh, no.. the ‘queen of evil’ can not possibly reside in your house..she’s residing in mine!!!!  ;-)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does a several retarded or brain damaged baby/child/adult have the ability to reason?  Does a vegetable or a person in a coma have free will? This is so typical. When I typed this, I wondered who would be the first to bring up mentally challenged people. I talk about humanity in general, and someone always needs to find a situation that illustrates that not all people can reason. The answer is simple. The ability to reason is a quality of humanity, and humans alone are the only one of God’s creatures that even have that potential. Even among humans who have the ability to reason, some are better at it than others. One’s ability to reason is not all that defines someone as being a human. Perhaps you can show me a red herring of a dog who through genetic mutations, accidents, etc. is now able to be rational. There lies the difference.

which brings up another question – the great ages can reason. what about the next great age – the one genetically altered to have human levels of reason. what kind of soul would such a creature have? what type of soul do the natural vartiety have now?? they have the ability to reason – it has been proven. dog/cats/octopi – all have rudementary reasoning abilities – but overt reasoning ability is not common in these species. My cat has never shown much resoning ability. Such things at knowing the sound of your car vs others, and waitng at the door (which my cat does and most dogs do) could be considerd simple reasoning – since I never trained her to do this. — An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best? He replied: ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’ I saw a tyrant sleeping half the day. I said: ‘This confusion, if sleep removes it, so much the better; But he whose sleep is better than his wakefulness Is better dead than leading such a bad life.’

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Does a several retarded or brain damaged baby/child/adult have the ability to reason?  Does a vegetable or a person in a coma have free will?  Actually , in the middle ages up through the 1920’s that was the argument they made to house these poor people in institutions. Even epileptics were lumped in. Talk about an abomination.  Dawn Wasn’t that because psychiatrists said it was best? Didn’t psychiatrists tell the world that epilepsy was another mental illness, recommend they be sent to institutions and then proceed to use shock treatments on people for a wide range of "mental illnesses"?

I think that depends on love. You can believe people are mentally ill, possessed by demons, or just bad; but if you love them you will try to help them. If you’re just looking for an excuse to put them away, or whatever, than it’s all the same. Well, just a thought. -Steve

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I believe animals have souls as the soul is spirit and the spirit gives life. I don’t however believe that animals have the same kind of souls that people have, that is, immortal. The difference being that people are different than animals in that we have the ability to reason, and we have free will. A dog will always be a dog. A person who is a "dog" does not have to remain a "dog" the entire time he lives in this world. A person is able to discover the Spirit inside, the animal does not realize he even has one. The ability to know the Spirit is a gift from God to humans not to animals.

Does a several retarded or brain damaged baby/child/adult have the ability to reason?  Does a vegetable or a person in a coma have free will?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe animals have souls as the soul is spirit and the spirit gives life. I don’t however believe that animals have the same kind of souls that people have, that is, immortal. The difference being that people are different than animals in that we have the ability to reason, and we have free will. A dog will always be a dog. A person who is a "dog" does not have to remain a "dog" the entire time he lives in this world. A person is able to discover the Spirit inside, the animal does not realize he even has one. The ability to know the Spirit is a gift from God to humans not to animals. Does a several retarded or brain damaged baby/child/adult have the ability to reason?  Does a vegetable or a person in a coma have free will?

 Actually , in the middle ages up through the 1920’s that was the argument they made to house these poor people in institutions. Even epileptics were lumped in. Talk about an abomination.  Dawn

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What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul??

What do I believe?  hmmm, everything that exists is an expression of God. I believe that everything returns to God. So..yah..I suppose I believe animals have souls.. (but don’t let this get into a ‘vegetarian’ thing.  I like my hamburgers, too.  ) Paula

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What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul?? — An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best? He replied: ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’ I saw a tyrant sleeping half the day. I said: ‘This confusion, if sleep removes it, so much the better; But he whose sleep is better than his wakefulness Is better dead than leading such a bad life.’

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What do you beleive? – and why? does your loved pet have no soul??

Well, my dog is smarter than some people. He also reads minds. I can just think of taking him for a walk and he shows up with the leash in his mouth. He plays tricks on the cat – hides bones – chases the kids. He smiles, frowns and shows anger if someone like the UPS man shows up. I am voting for dogs in heaven because happiness is a dog   Dawn

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Have been seeing things out of perspective methinks. The wall wasn’t vertical to the floor earlier, the table was closer than it should be, and the cupboards… well you get the picture. Hand-eye co-ordination was a little thrown too, nearly spilt the tea. Lasted about 20 minutes. Always get light headed when weird shit starts happening (not hallucinations tho). Can’t understand why. Had even weirder still. Started moving weird but time stayed constant. Still, shit happens <shrug>. If it went on for hours I’d start getting pissed off. Kill all Muppets! P.S. Anyone had any experience with Prozak?

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Hi Muppet, My shrink tried me on Prozac maybe 6 years ago. That was the first time I had seen this particular shrink, & that was the first med he prescribed for me. It made me feel really weird in the head immediately. I know that’s a very inadequate description, but I don’t know how else to say it. Then after 4 days it gave me a severe headache. I just stopped taking it & asked him to try something else. I sort of welcomed the headache because it’s easy to explain & understand, & it gave me an excuse to stop, But it was really that indescribable weird-in-the-head feeling that I wanted to stop. Later I tried Zoloft & Paxil & they were both OK. Not like Prozac at all. Nevertheless, I don’t notice that antidepressants have much effect for me, so after a while I stop. All antipsychotics have a dramatic effect for me. Walt Muppet <n…@more.viruses> wrote in message

news:3A6C7F43.20108@more.viruses… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Have been seeing things out of perspective methinks. > The wall wasn’t vertical to the floor earlier, the table was closer than > it should be, and the cupboards… well you get the picture. Hand-eye > co-ordination was a little thrown too, nearly spilt the tea. Lasted > about 20 minutes. > Always get light headed when weird shit starts happening (not > hallucinations tho). Can’t understand why. > Had even weirder still. Started moving weird but time stayed constant. > Still, shit happens <shrug>. If it went on for hours I’d start getting > pissed off. > Kill all Muppets! > P.S. Anyone had any experience with Prozak?

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Muppet wrote: > Have been seeing things out of perspective methinks. > The wall wasn’t vertical to the floor earlier, the table was closer than > it should be, and the cupboards… well you get the picture. Hand-eye > co-ordination was a little thrown too, nearly spilt the tea. Lasted > about 20 minutes.

I experience this most of the time. As well as the things you describle I find some object assume a non 3d appearance like they are in fact flat objects, like a cardboard cutout, whilst others seem elongated and contorted. Objects in the peripheral of my vision dont move until I shift my attention to them completely. > Always get light headed when weird shit starts happening (not > hallucinations tho). Can’t understand why.

I see things, ordinary objects that are not, there. ie a will be looking for a book and see it on the table in front of me. Opon reaching the table I will find that its not there. I also see sliding patterns on flat colored surfaces and repeating patterns on surfaces generally move about. > Had even weirder still. Started moving weird but time stayed constant. > Still, shit happens <shrug>. If it went on for hours I’d start getting > pissed off.

It doesnt bother me very much, though it does lead to a sense of unreality and disconnection. > Kill all Muppets! > P.S. Anyone had any experience with Prozak?

I took prozac and well it made very mad indeed, but that just my experience. The dr who prescribed it me was mistaken.

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news:3A6C7F43.20108@more.viruses… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Have been seeing things out of perspective methinks. > The wall wasn’t vertical to the floor earlier, the table was closer than > it should be, and the cupboards… well you get the picture. Hand-eye > co-ordination was a little thrown too, nearly spilt the tea. Lasted > about 20 minutes. > Always get light headed when weird shit starts happening (not > hallucinations tho). Can’t understand why. > Had even weirder still. Started moving weird but time stayed constant. > Still, shit happens <shrug>. If it went on for hours I’d start getting > pissed off. > Kill all Muppets! > P.S. Anyone had any experience with Prozak?

Might not be down to your Prozak, what you described has a fair resemblance to a Temporal Lobe disorder. Why you want & go kill all the Muppets? Relationships are tricky, I believe Beaker & Bunsen Honeydew are offering anger management courses. Hope your homicidal feelings subside soon. take care Limbo

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Prozac made me suicidal.  Made my dad  suicidal too.  Also true for the other  ssri’s. —Juniper "Muppet" <n…@more.viruses> wrote in message

news:3A6C7F43.20108@more.viruses… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Have been seeing things out of perspective methinks. > The wall wasn’t vertical to the floor earlier, the table was closer than > it should be, and the cupboards… well you get the picture. Hand-eye > co-ordination was a little thrown too, nearly spilt the tea. Lasted > about 20 minutes. > Always get light headed when weird shit starts happening (not > hallucinations tho). Can’t understand why. > Had even weirder still. Started moving weird but time stayed constant. > Still, shit happens <shrug>. If it went on for hours I’d start getting > pissed off. > Kill all Muppets! > P.S. Anyone had any experience with Prozak?

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x no-archive=yes     I’m back and I am pining for girl30.     First of all let me say I think your post is not off topic.  Even if the cause is not the disease or the treatment it still might be either of them.    Me Prozac experience = NO. risperidol=YES zyprexa/olanzapine=YES I had visual problems with both of these. I didn’t see wishful images but i did at times see what I call "streakers" with risperidol. This was usually a black streak or rapidly traveling black spot through my field of vision. It often occured late in the day after work and before dinnner when I was very hungry.It almost looked like a mouse scurring along the baseboard but it sometimes occured on walls or landscape features or while driving(Not too scary once you get accustomed to it).    My optometrist became visibly disturbed and terse with me when I was insistent with him that Zyprexa was causing a Pseudo-Dyslexia. I am still frustrated by the lingering effect(22 months totally drug free and it still happens some of the time , I suspect permanent brain damage).    I have had intermittent depth perception problems on both meds mentioned above.    I have been having physical problems with my eyes ever since about a month after beginning my 18 or so months on zyprexa. The conjunctiva is rarely now not of a purplish color and sensitive to touch. The skin beneath my left eye peels away daily as if extremely dry or sunburned leaving it painfully raw at times.This same eyelid also twitches for hours at a time still. This has been going on since the risperidol times.I have even gone momentarily and painfully blind in this eye.This is still scary when driving.  This stabbing blindness has abated noticeably since being totally drug free these last 22 months or so.  The above mentioned optometrist refused to address my repeated concerns about these phenomena.    I live in the home city of Lilly world HQ and many of the local docs have ties to the big company that are heritage based.I am sure that they are trying to quash any negative press re: their  twin cash cows Prozac and Zyprexa.    I have it on good authority that Zyprexa would not have been possible to invent if it had not had Prozac research to draw from.

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Does anyone have any experience or information about this doctor’s treatment of dyslexia and possible link to ADHD? Thanks so much.

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There’s one person on the newsgroup who is very enthusiastic about him, OTOH, she seems to be taking the standard treatments in addition to his–just doesn’t credit them with any of her improvement.  And the way she defends him leaves one wondering about her. If you read his web site (www.dyslexiaonline.com) you’ll learn all about the conspiracy to suppress his research.  He is the only one who knows the truth.  Everybody else is out to get him. I feel sorry for the poor guy–apparently he was a pretty good doctor once–but not so sorry that I’d trust him for medical treatment. — — — John Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any experience or information about this doctor’s treatment of dyslexia and possible link to ADHD? Thanks so much.

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1. The other person besides Dr Levinson that I give tremendous  credit to,in terms of my ADHD/LD/Dyslexia is Helen Irlen MA MFCC (www.irlen.com) 2.  Other People that have helped me greatly w/my ADHD/Dyslexia/LD include but art not limited to a)Harriet Brett-Math/Business Tutor b) Dr Michael Schamis-prof clinical therapeutic hypnotist & stress mgmt spec. c) Rabbi Dr Paul Kushner-Pastoral Support d) Dr Bernie Siegel MD e) Dr David Weinstock MD LLC who is the discoverer of Corgard for ADHD f)Dr Mary Groda-Lewis MD g) the late Marvin Merkur M.S. H)Kristine Librandi,my expert editor/typist/wordprocessor/paralegal/legal secretary/ Thesis Writing Expert ET AL -Marsha Lampert MBA MS

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to answer your query I attended & just graduated from NYIT NY Institute of Technology & the specific course you refer to & question is a course whose title is Energy Technology & whose Curriculum is how Physics relates to Energy & to related issues of Nuclear Power, Heat Transfer,Laws of Thermodynamics, Motion in Space,Atomic Theory, Heat Plasma,Electrons, Ions,Electrolytes(ie tie to Fuel cells)etc. The course starts out with lessons(followed by a tough essay question exam ) on Isaac Newton & his theorums on Gravity,Action/Reaction, 1st & 2nd Laws,& his stuff about things like dropping a weight down from the top of a Bldg, & so on,,,,I never had Physics before,& explained that to my professor,& he was able to help me get a Physics Professor to tutor me extensively,,,& I ended up w/ an A thanks to the fantastic tutoring. Hope the foregoing answers your question Marsha Lampert MBA MS

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(Mrshangel) writes: to reply to your question/comment: Yes-The degree required courses that placed great emphasis on critical reasoning,abstract reasoning, logical planning/organization & analytical as well as quantitative coursework,

So, how did you fake it? In fact,it required,as part of accreditation compliance, to require candidates for  the MS in Management,like myself, to not only take but earn at least a B in Organic Chemical  Toxicology, Earth & Enviro Science,Energy Physics,

An MS in Management requires these courses? Could you advise which school? I’ll drive over and get a grad catalog. & so on,as well as rigorous mathematical coursework The only B I received was in that Organic Chem Toxicology,

And what has that got to do with a MS in Management? the remainder were all A’S & I scored very high (near or above 90th or better percentile)  on the GRE sections on abstract/quantitative reasoning, with test scores of 660. Additionally as part of one’s thesis &related  pre-thesis papers, one was required to critique Corporate Facilities with faulty lighting,heating,air conditioning, maintenance,& so on,,, & compare the problems to Energy/Enviro Engineering Mismanagement journal papers as well as to related statutory & case law.

If you have these skills, it is truly a shame that you do not apply them to Dr. Levinson. Now Dr Levinson & Helen Irlen & I are preparing for me to have an untimed LSAT with disability accomodations granted,as I am about to apply for admission to 4 part time law schools (NY Law, St Johns,Touro & Fordham)

Brooklyn Law School also has an evening program. Hofstra doesn’t. as my Fortune 500 Employer will pay the tuition so that I can become a Business Bankruptcy Fraud Prosecution Trial Attorney.

Careful. The tuition will not be tax exempt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have taken & received A’S in the followinf required MS law courses Federal/state Tax Law Energy Law Enviro. Law Fair Employer/Employee Law Labor Law Collective Bargaining Law Financial Compensation Law Human Resource Mgmt Law including ADA disability Law -Statutory & Case Business Law Financial Acct Auditing Law & so on,,,courses taught by practicing attorneys,2 of whom have written wonderful letters for me telling the Law schools I am very analytically sharp.

Now apply that to Dr. Levinson and Dr. Irlen. Two charlatans. Additionally, my fulltime career is as a gainfully employed fulltime Corp Financial Leasing Credit Risk Analyst.(a leasing counterpart to being a bank loan offcer a job I have held for 15 yrs now, which requires not only lots of number crunching and spreadsheets, but also a razor sharp ability to read with a fine tooth comb.

Most people use their eyes. I hope the foregoing addresses &  answers yourconcerns/issues. Marsha Lampert MBA MS

Assuming that Ms. Lambert is truthful in her representations in this post, I want to take this opportunity to point out that I have observed that some followers of alternative treatment providers like Drs. Levinson and Irlen, have taken on a cult-like attachment to their ‘leader.’ Only heeavy psychoanalytical deprogramming will help them. It is so sad. Mark Probert A vote for Pat Buchanan is a vote for America’s First Fuhrer!

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mrshangel said: "1 I earned my MBA in Finance in 6/90 from NYIT,& my MS in Energy Management in 12/99 .also from NYIT…" etc. That’s all very nice, but what’s the point?

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(Mrshangel) writes: I earned my MBA in Finance in 6/90 from NYIT,& my MS in Energy Management in 12/99 .also from NYIT.

And you are working as a lone-ar-ranger? Richard Kessel needs you! BTW, and I do not mean to scare you, you were taking classes at NYIT while my son was there. But, till, how did you fake it? Mark Probert A vote for Pat Buchanan is a vote for America’s First Fuhrer!

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1 I earned my MBA in Finance in 6/90 from NYIT,& my MS in Energy Management in 12/99 .also from NYIT. 2. The Energy Technology course comprised mainly of physics vis-a-vis Energy sources,is a required EG grad course,I think the course number was something like EG 359 or similar EG number,,,it is a core requirement, I took it Spring 1999 & received an A

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1)It is not my aim,purpose obligation or intent to impress you. 2) As far as the coursework curriculum questions you present, here are the answers a) The required Org Chem Toxicology is a core course under the Environmental Management graduate work certificate I earned concurrently to my MS in Energy Mgmt. The Course is taught by a Life Science/Chemistry Professor using 2 Organic Chem Toxicology Texts. The course was extremely tough in that despite my dyslexia,I insisted on being required to meet the same testing requirements as nondisabled grad students. The 5 tests required such things as Drawing from the memory the complex chemical bonding formulae, ie one had do draw & explain from memory the single & double bonds,,,,& must draw  as their atomic & molecular structures from memory… e Trifluorochloro bromo ethane. & must draw from memory oxidation,metabolic breakdown, & relared diagrams,for a number of substances including amides,amines, anesthetics,compounds.cytochrome p450,etc As far as the rigorous maths I had to demonstrate Bminus or higher grades (during grad school) in Precalc,Calc1(differential) ,Algebra,Trig,Quantitative analyses/equations,& statistics & Econometrics(ie apply adv math to explson micro eco.(I even had to take a course in probability & stochastic theory. -Marsha

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1. To reiterate once more,I did not fake it & you can verify that with the professor who taught the courses in question,as he is also my thesis/coursework advisor. If you wish ,you can speak with him or email him as he is Dept Chair of the Grad. MS Energy Mgmt program, 2. I earned an MS in Energy Management with a prof grad certificate in Environmental Technology/Mgmt as well as with 2 other prof grad certificates in Labor Relations & in Human Resource Management,respectively. 3. The main reason the Org Chem Toxicology course was required of me & some other part time grad students is that I & those ’some others’ custom specialized/tailored their thesis & related elective tier coursework in the Management of Business Bankruptcy,,,In my own case, I custom tailored the Enviro Mgmt Certificate & the elective coursework(for the degree) to ‘’subspecialize” in Environmental, Safety & Health Law Noncompliance &Related violations/Penalties/Fines/Litigation/ Enforcement Actions.,vis-a-vis Financial Distress,Insolvency & Default on Creditor Debt . My Thesis was on Defunct Nuclear Power Plants(& Electric Utilities). My Preceding papers had focused in large part,on Toxic Tort Environmental Bankruptcy Cases,& related Superfund/Cercla/Sara/Fifra/RCRA Liability issues. Toxic Tort Litigation especially is focused on Toxic/Hazardous  Contamination due to Wastes/materials/chemicals,as well as on  their cleanup,remediation,(etcetera) (ie heavy metals leaching in soil/groundwater. & so on & so forth). Thus my advisor required me to take & pass the  course which I did in Fall 1998,with a B. The course was taught by a Life Science/ Chem professor ,using 2 textbooks on Org Chem that focused on Toxic Substances. Lastly,your cult/psych analysis comment was an irrational disjointed non-sequitor that was irrelevant to what you attested to preceding it. Sincerely,Marsha Lampert MBA MS

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I’m always glad to hear of people succeeding, but I got my master’s degree (with a gpa of 3.95) without either funky ADHD treatments or rose-colored glasses. When we work to our strengths we have an easier time of it.

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1 I earned my MBA in Finance in 6/90 from NYIT,& my MS in Energy Management in 12/99 .also from NYIT. 2. The Energy Technology course comprised mainly of physics vis-a-vis Energy sources,is a required EG grad course,I think the course number was something like EG 359 or similar EG number,,,it is a core requirement, I took it Spring 1999 & received an A

According to the catalog posted on the NYIT Web site there are no 300-level courses in the core requirements for the MS in Energy Management–all are 600 level or above.  The only one with "Energy Technology" in the title is a survey course. — — — John Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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1)It is not my aim,purpose obligation or intent to impress you.

Then why are you trying so hard to do so? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2) As far as the coursework curriculum questions you present, here are the answers a) The required Org Chem Toxicology is a core course under the Environmental Management graduate work certificate I earned concurrently to my MS in Energy Mgmt. The Course is taught by a Life Science/Chemistry Professor using 2 Organic Chem Toxicology Texts. The course was extremely tough in that despite my dyslexia,I insisted on being required to meet the same testing requirements as nondisabled grad students.

There appears to be no graduate level course listed in the graduate catalog of the School of Engineering and Technology at NYIT which contains the word "organic" in its title or description.  There is one that contains the word "toxicology", that is ENVT 705, Environmental Toxicology, and it is another survey course. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The 5 tests required such things as Drawing from the memory the complex chemical bonding formulae, ie one had do draw & explain from memory the single & double bonds,,,,& must draw  as their atomic & molecular structures from memory… e Trifluorochloro bromo ethane. & must draw from memory oxidation,metabolic breakdown, & relared diagrams,for a number of substances including amides,amines, anesthetics,compounds.cytochrome p450,etc As far as the rigorous maths I had to demonstrate Bminus or higher grades (during grad school) in Precalc,Calc1(differential) ,Algebra,Trig,Quantitative analyses/equations,& statistics & Econometrics(ie apply adv math to explson micro eco.(I even had to take a course in probability & stochastic theory.

"Rigorous" in Mathematics has a specific definition.  None of the courses you mention is one which meets that criterion.  I assume the "Quantitative Analyses/equations" is QUANT 601, which is the second semester of what might be described as "statistics for managers", directed, according to the catalog, at "inventory models, linear programming, game theory, forecasting, waiting lines and simulation".  No critical thinking here, just turning the crank. Sounds like (a) you still haven’t been exposed to critical thinking, and (b) given the difficulty you seem to be having remembering the name of the degree you took and the titles of the courses you took, I think you should reconsider the efficacy of your Irlen lenses and your inner-ear treatment in controlling your ADHD, as it seems pretty clear that quite a lot is getting by you. — — John Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net

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to answer your query I attended & just graduated from NYIT NY Institute of Technology & the specific course you refer to & question is a course whose title is Energy Technology

Would that have been ENGY 670 Energy Technology in Perspective, or ETEC 240 Energy Technology? And what was your degree again?  NYIT does not appear to offer an MS in Management–did you receive an MBA or a MS in Energy Management or something else? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – & whose Curriculum is how Physics relates to Energy & to related issues of Nuclear Power, Heat Transfer,Laws of Thermodynamics, Motion in Space,Atomic Theory, Heat Plasma,Electrons, Ions,Electrolytes(ie tie to Fuel cells)etc. The course starts out with lessons(followed by a tough essay question exam ) on Isaac Newton & his theorums on Gravity,Action/Reaction, 1st & 2nd Laws,& his stuff about things like dropping a weight down from the top of a Bldg, & so on,,,,I never had Physics before,& explained that to my professor,& he was able to help me get a Physics Professor to tutor me extensively,,,& I ended up w/ an A thanks to the fantastic tutoring. Hope the foregoing answers your question Marsha Lampert MBA MS

– — — John Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net

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to reply to your question/comment: Yes-The degree required courses that placed great emphasis on critical reasoning,abstract reasoning, logical planning/organization & analytical as well as quantitative coursework, In fact,it required,as part of accreditation compliance, to require candidates for  the MS in Management,like myself, to not only take but earn at least a B in Organic Chemical  Toxicology,

Was that CHEM 260 Toxicology?  And I don’t see it listed as either a core or elective class in any graduate offering at NYIT whose degree has "Management" in the name. Earth & Enviro Science,Energy Physics, & so on,as well as rigorous mathematical coursework

Which specific courses did you consider to be "rigid mathematical coursework"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only B I received was in that Organic Chem Toxicology, the remainder were all A’S & I scored very high (near or above 90th or better percentile)  on the GRE sections on abstract/quantitative reasoning, with test scores of 660. Additionally as part of one’s thesis &related  pre-thesis papers, one was required to critique Corporate Facilities with faulty lighting,heating,air conditioning, maintenance,& so on,,, & compare the problems to Energy/Enviro Engineering Mismanagement journal papers as well as to related statutory & case law. Now Dr Levinson & Helen Irlen & I are preparing for me to have an untimed LSAT with disability accomodations granted,as I am about to apply for admission to 4 part time law schools (NY Law, St Johns,Touro & Fordham) as my Fortune 500 Employer will pay the tuition so that I can become a Business Bankruptcy Fraud Prosecution Trial Attorney. I have taken & received A’S in the followinf required MS law courses Federal/state Tax Law Energy Law Enviro. Law Fair Employer/Employee Law Labor Law Collective Bargaining Law Financial Compensation Law Human Resource Mgmt Law including ADA disability Law -Statutory & Case Business Law Financial Acct Auditing Law & so on,,,courses taught by practicing attorneys,2 of whom have written wonderful letters for me telling the Law schools I am very analytically sharp. Additionally, my fulltime career is as a gainfully employed fulltime Corp Financial Leasing Credit Risk Analyst.(a leasing counterpart to being a bank loan offcer a job I have held for 15 yrs now, which requires not only lots of number crunching and spreadsheets, but also a razor sharp ability to read with a fine tooth comb. I hope the foregoing addresses &  answers yourconcerns/issues. Marsha Lampert MBA MS

I’m sorry, but so far you’re not impressing me. — — — John Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net

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to reply to your question/comment: Yes-The degree required courses that placed great emphasis on critical reasoning,abstract reasoning, logical planning/organization & analytical as well as quantitative coursework, In fact,it required,as part of accreditation compliance, to require candidates for  the MS in Management,like myself, to not only take but earn at least a B in Organic Chemical  Toxicology, Earth & Enviro Science,Energy Physics,

"Energy Physics"?  Your school actually had a course called "Energy Physics"?  I’d like to know the school because I want to see this one for myself. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – & so on,as well as rigorous mathematical coursework The only B I received was in that Organic Chem Toxicology, the remainder were all A’S & I scored very high (near or above 90th or better percentile)  on the GRE sections on abstract/quantitative reasoning, with test scores of 660. Additionally as part of one’s thesis &related  pre-thesis papers, one was required to critique Corporate Facilities with faulty lighting,heating,air conditioning, maintenance,& so on,,, & compare the problems to Energy/Enviro Engineering Mismanagement journal papers as well as to related statutory & case law. Now Dr Levinson & Helen Irlen & I are preparing for me to have an untimed LSAT with disability accomodations granted,as I am about to apply for admission to 4 part time law schools (NY Law, St Johns,Touro & Fordham) as my Fortune 500 Employer will pay the tuition so that I can become a Business Bankruptcy Fraud Prosecution Trial Attorney. I have taken & received A’S in the followinf required MS law courses Federal/state Tax Law Energy Law Enviro. Law Fair Employer/Employee Law Labor Law Collective Bargaining Law Financial Compensation Law Human Resource Mgmt Law including ADA disability Law -Statutory & Case Business Law Financial Acct Auditing Law & so on,,,courses taught by practicing attorneys,2 of whom have written wonderful letters for me telling the Law schools I am very analytically sharp. Additionally, my fulltime career is as a gainfully employed fulltime Corp Financial Leasing Credit Risk Analyst.(a leasing counterpart to being a bank loan offcer a job I have held for 15 yrs now, which requires not only lots of number crunching and spreadsheets, but also a razor sharp ability to read with a fine tooth comb. I hope the foregoing addresses &  answers yourconcerns/issues. Marsha Lampert MBA MS

– — — John Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net

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please see my post in the dyslexia newsgroup

I hope they can work on your insecurity next.

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please see my post in the dyslexia newsgroup

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Congrats! I know how that must feel. When I finished my master’s thesis, I thought it was the rapture coming upon me. You have every single right to boast of your accomplishment. Don’t listen to people who belittle them. –T.N.

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Congrats! I know how that must feel. When I finished my master’s thesis, I thought it was the rapture coming upon me. You have every single right to boast of your accomplishment. Don’t listen to people who belittle them. –T.N.

You’re new, there’s a history here. Pushing scam treatmnets is only one of them.

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Thanks so much for your sweet words,,I am so moved & so touched by your kindness -Marsha

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it is amazing that Jim’s vitriolic nonsense has to reappear like a bad spectral  apparition that insists on haunting & lurking,,, in fact ,it is not only vitriolic nonsense Jim has spewed  but what Aesop would have called ‘’sour grapes” in his fable about a disgruntled fox. I detect a bit of jealousy too on Jim’s part… Best Regards Marsha

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it is amazing that Jim’s vitriolic nonsense has to reappear like a bad spectral  apparition that insists on haunting & lurking,,, in fact ,it is not only vitriolic nonsense Jim has spewed  but what Aesop would have called ‘’sour grapes” in his fable about a disgruntled fox. I detect a bit of jealousy too on Jim’s part… Best Regards Marsha

Oh, Marsha, I doubt Jim has anything at all to be jealous about. — Ann Illegitimi non Carborundum annbal*at*thecia*dot*net http://www.annzoid.com

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it is amazing that Jim’s vitriolic nonsense has to reappear like a bad spectral  apparition that insists on haunting & lurking,,, in fact ,it is not only vitriolic nonsense Jim has spewed  but what Aesop would have called ‘’sour grapes” in his fable about a disgruntled fox. I detect a bit of jealousy too on Jim’s part… Best Regards Marsha Oh, Marsha, I doubt Jim has anything at all to be jealous about.

Come on Ann, it’s a typical mrshangel IKYABWAI response. I expected no more.

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what does the acronym IKYABWAI serve to abbreviate?

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what does the acronym IKYABWAI serve to abbreviate?

I Know You Are But What Am I      And YKYBOUTL when you can figure that out without remembering the original saying.  (and you know you’ve lost it when you’re sure someone said they wanted to "have a nice day" this to you, when they merely meant that they wanted to "hand" it to you.) (Okay, OKAY!  "You Know You’ve Been On Usenet Too Long."  Satisfied?)

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(Mrshangel) writes: it is amazing that Jim’s vitriolic nonsense has to reappear like a bad spectral  apparition that insists on haunting & lurking,,, in fact ,it is not only vitriolic nonsense Jim has spewed  but what Aesop would have called ‘’sour grapes” in his fable about a disgruntled fox. I detect a bit of jealousy too on Jim’s part… Best Regards Marsha

Congrats on getting the paper. Did the degree require a course in critical, analytical thinking? If so, how did you fake it? THAT knowledge would be such a help to many people. Mark Probert A vote for Pat Buchanan is a vote for America’s First Fuhrer!

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to reply to your question/comment: Yes-The degree required courses that placed great emphasis on critical reasoning,abstract reasoning, logical planning/organization & analytical as well as quantitative coursework, In fact,it required,as part of accreditation compliance, to require candidates for  the MS in Management,like myself, to not only take but earn at least a B in Organic Chemical  Toxicology, Earth & Enviro Science,Energy Physics, & so on,as well as rigorous mathematical coursework The only B I received was in that Organic Chem Toxicology, the remainder were all A’S & I scored very high (near or above 90th or better percentile)  on the GRE sections on abstract/quantitative reasoning, with test scores of 660. Additionally as part of one’s thesis &related  pre-thesis papers, one was required to critique Corporate Facilities with faulty lighting,heating,air conditioning, maintenance,& so on,,, & compare the problems to Energy/Enviro Engineering Mismanagement journal papers as well as to related statutory & case law. Now Dr Levinson & Helen Irlen & I are preparing for me to have an untimed LSAT with disability accomodations granted,as I am about to apply for admission to 4 part time law schools (NY Law, St Johns,Touro & Fordham) as my Fortune 500 Employer will pay the tuition so that I can become a Business Bankruptcy Fraud Prosecution Trial Attorney. I have taken & received A’S in the followinf required MS law courses Federal/state Tax Law Energy Law Enviro. Law Fair Employer/Employee Law Labor Law Collective Bargaining Law Financial Compensation Law Human Resource Mgmt Law including ADA disability Law -Statutory & Case Business Law Financial Acct Auditing Law & so on,,,courses taught by practicing attorneys,2 of whom have written wonderful letters for me telling the Law schools I am very analytically sharp. Additionally, my fulltime career is as a gainfully employed fulltime Corp Financial Leasing Credit Risk Analyst.(a leasing counterpart to being a bank loan offcer a job I have held for 15 yrs now, which requires not only lots of number crunching and spreadsheets, but also a razor sharp ability to read with a fine tooth comb. I hope the foregoing addresses &  answers yourconcerns/issues. Marsha Lampert MBA MS

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I’ve often thought that stress (physical or emotional) must surely exacerbate the condition. When the body is subjected to physiological stress the level of cortisol becomes elevated. Cortisol becomes elevated over a long period of time and takes a long period of time to fall. Excess cortisol can cause some of the same symptoms of PCOS (e.g. hirsutism) so it wouldn’t surprise me if trauma at least made an existing condition worse. And of course if you experience more stress as a result of the symptoms then you are in a vicious circle. The stress response also causes growth and sex hormones to be surpressed. Very definitely an interesting area! Alison.         am…@medscape.com

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Xylenes <xylenes> wrote: > I’ve often thought that stress (physical or emotional) must surely exacerbate > the condition. When the body is subjected to physiological stress the level of > cortisol becomes elevated. Cortisol becomes elevated over a long period of time > and takes a long period of time to fall. Excess cortisol can cause some of the > same symptoms of PCOS (e.g. hirsutism) so it wouldn’t surprise me if trauma at > least made an existing condition worse. And of course if you experience more > stress as a result of the symptoms then you are in a vicious circle. The stress > response also causes growth and sex hormones to be surpressed. Very definitely > an interesting area!

You never know what adverse effect dying is going to have on someone.  I died when I had spinal meningitis and they brought me back.  My periods got erratic.  Within 2 years, I was diagnosed with lupus.  I started having the most enormous migraine headaches.  The litany of what is wrong with my physical body is long and boring.  I have always thought that the whole dying thing really took its toll on my general health.   They believe that fibromyalgia has a trigger event.  I do believe that physical trauma and emotional trauma can exacerbate already present medical conditions.  I don’t recommend dying to anyone.  And before anyone asks, I didn’t see anything.  No bright lights.  No voices.  Nothing. Believe me, the minister from my church grilled me about it when I came out of the coma.  :-) Anyway, that’s why I think it is linked in me.  It may not be linked for everyone but I think it is in my case.  Too many coincedences to name. Louise–who remembers being skinny in the 7th grade.  *sigh*

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I did show some signs of PCO when I was younger, but I don’t think it was enough to diagnose me as PCO back then, but now I am type II diabetic, so I definitely have insulin resistance. KC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Im > wondering if the insulin resistancy is in all PCOS sufferers or in just > the ones who have had it for years.

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One of the underlying conditions to FMS tends to be hypothyroidism and there is a definite, but as yet undefined, link between hypo-t. and insulin resistance, the underlying condition to PCOS.  There’s your connection… Sara Rudesheim <COOKIEJ…@prodigy.net> wrote in article <7duvrg$467…@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Since I came in on the end of this, is there a correlation between PCOS and > fibromyalgia (which, SURPRISE, I have)? > I’m learning so much! > Dina

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Sara – thanks for the information!  I’m printing it off so I can do more research.  Then I’m off to my doctor again – after years of hiding from this issue! Dina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sara Avery wrote in message <01be7c3c$09969ca0$de3daccf@vogmudet>… >One of the underlying conditions to FMS tends to be hypothyroidism and >there is a definite, but as yet undefined, link between hypo-t. and insulin >resistance, the underlying condition to PCOS.  There’s your connection… >Sara

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Here’s a great website by Dr. Goldstein, author of Betrayal by the Brain a book on CFIDS/FM that mentions PCOS http://prairie.lakes.com/~roseleaf/fibro/cfs-1.html B.

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Rudesheim <COOKIEJ…@prodigy.net> wrote: > Since I came in on the end of this, is there a correlation between PCOS and > fibromyalgia (which, SURPRISE, I have)?

I don’t know if there is official one.  I have my theories though that they are related.  I think it all goes back to a single switch that got flipped a long time ago.  Personally, I think my trigger for both diseases was spinal meningitis that I had at 13.  Nothing has been the same since. I think my body might have objected to being brought back to life.  :-) > I’m learning so much!

That is wonderful!  Be proactive in your health care not passive. Louise

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im beginning to wonder. look up Fibromyalgia and look up Insulin Resistancy in search and see how many symtoms overlap each other. Im wondering if the insulin resistancy is in all PCOS sufferers or in just the ones who have had it for years. Ive had it for 21 years and I have every symptom. My doc is a diabetic and Insuli Resistancy specialist and he finds me quite "interesting". He talks about me in seminars etc says im the most severe case hes seen yet. I feel like a guinea pig sometimes.

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I was wondering if other people had an event that they thought triggered their PCOS.  I have always had menstrual problems and can’t think of a particular trigger that would bring the syndrome on (or even how that would be possible medically).  However, some of my symptoms worsened significantly after a personal trauma in my life.  I’m open to thinking that it could be coincidence or my age, etc.  Just wondering what everyone else thinks. Sarah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Louise Taylor wrote in message <7e08ir$hh…@spitting-spider.aracnet.com>… >Rudesheim <COOKIEJ…@prodigy.net> wrote: >> Since I came in on the end of this, is there a correlation between PCOS and >> fibromyalgia (which, SURPRISE, I have)? >I don’t know if there is official one.  I have my theories though that >they are related.  I think it all goes back to a single switch that got >flipped a long time ago.  Personally, I think my trigger for both diseases >was spinal meningitis that I had at 13.  Nothing has been the same since. >I think my body might have objected to being brought back to life.  :-) >> I’m learning so much! >That is wonderful!  Be proactive in your health care not passive. >Louise

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Sarah Henry wrote in message <7e0a5n$ro…@news.inc.net>… >I was wondering if other people had an event that they thought triggered >their PCOS

As far as I can tell, I’ve had PCOS since I was about 12.  This was before I gained a lot of weight, but I did shortly after that.  I had regular periods for a year – from 11 to 12.   When I was regular I had extremely heavy bleeding and clots.  At 12 our house burned down, and I was going through rough times with the kids at school, so it could be emotion related, but I don’t really think so.  My sister, who weighs 98 lbs also has irregular periods and I believe possibly has PCOS also but just doesn’t know it.  I think it comes from my grandmother’s side as she only had 2 kids back in the 30’s and she never practiced birth control.  I haven’t asked her what her cycles were like, but I suspect that is where it came from. When I was about 16 I had lots of ovarian pain.  My mother took me to a doctor who said I was probably just ovulating.  This was intense pain, though – enough to buckle me over.  And it wasn’t at any particular time that I could determine – but then, my periods weren’t normal – even when I was thin.  He did a pelvic exam but didn’t find anything except for 1 ovary being larger than the other.  I was about 25 when I was diagnosed with PCOS. Dina

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 please tell me what fibromyalgia is

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>please tell me what fibromyalgia is

It is muscular pain which until recently, drs. had no explanation for.  I recently read in a magazine that the muscles cells were not properly absorbing nutrition. CysterCat  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/8060/PCOS.html PCO/ Type 2 diabetic Member of the PCO Web Ring You are Not Alone

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As someone who HAS fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome AND PCO here’s some information for you: Fibromyalgia Webpage:  Fibromyalgia Webpage and Newsletter  http://members.aol.com/fibrocloud/main.htm Web Page:  JMeyers619’s Home Page  http://members.aol.com/JMeyers619/JMeyers-index.html Web Sites:  Living with FMS (Fibromyalgia Syndrome)  http://www.tidalweb.com/fms/letter.shtml  A Guide for Relatives and Companions  http://www.tidalweb.com/fms/guide.shtml Our FMily Photo Album and The Survivors of Invisible Illnesses  http://www.execpc.com/~debidoo/index.html Indigent Drug Programs:  Medication Manufacturers’ Indigent Drug Programs  http://www.cancercareinc.org/services/drug_companies.htm Medication Manufacturers’ Indigent Drug Programs Most people don’t realize that pharmaceutical companies produce a great deal of written information about disease and treatment.  They are required by law to provide detailed descriptions about the drugs that they manufacture, but most also produce more general information for the public about the diseases that their drugs treat, also. In addition to this free material, almost all pharmaceutical compaies also have an "Indigent Drug Program", which provides medications to people who cannot afford them.  Your physician must apply to these programs on your behalf, but you can call and obtain the applications and information yourself.  Amounts and eligibility will vary greatly from program to program.   To find a Fibro Friendly doctor in your area:         Send an email to:  Masaath…@aol.com         When you E-Mail Masaath…@aol.com you must include your full name, address & phone number so that FMAA can snail mail the info to you quickly.   A LONG JOURNEY On this road less traveled by some,Guide my footsteps to another one. One where I meet others day to day,That i may know just what to say. When they question our cries of pain,tell me dear Lord how do we begin to explain? The looks,the stares,the disbelief.Oh my heart is so full of grief. The doctor’s say it can’t get any worse, Then why do i see it as a daily curse? Day to day I lay in wonder,of the feeling,I’m going under. Ever so slowly the clouds come to fog my mind, Have i been here before,what have i left behind? I turn around looking for someone,something to blame, Only to realize that this illness i must tame. My body goes from one extreme to another,some days i loose my grip on being a Mother. Lost and afraid of who I’ve become, as i well remember once that I was someone. Who smiled and laughed a lot,Now people wonder just what I’ve got. Lord,I’m tired and in so much pain,help me face another day, even when i feel this way.I’ve so much more to gain. Since my body wont let me pick and choose things that need to be done Let it be the important ones,so that i may not loose. Faith in you Faith in me For a brighter day. Love to all from Nikki nikki,from Ga.                  "FIBRO FOG"                   The following is Begete’s explanation of Fibro Fog (others also contributed): I have come to the conclusion that FMS only sporadically affects an individual’s long term memory and short term memory.  Rather, it seems to affect the processing of information – not coming into the brain as in dyslexia – but on the way out.  When I was working, for example, what struck my co-workers was that I, a formerly well organized, efficient person, began to be – not less intelligent, but less efficient. Where I have come out on this, and perhaps why cognitive tests seldom identify exactly what is wrong with FMS patients is that what seems to be affected is the brain’s ability to sequence prospectively, or in corporate terms, to think strategically.  For example, I can still perform arithmetic functions such as the addition and subtraction necessary in balancing a checkbook.  But I have enormous difficulty remembering "how" to do it, e.g. first, put all the checks in number order, make sure all accounted for, then check off each transaction, then add back in checks that haven’t cleared, and so on.  Indeed, I now have notes written all over the house to tell me "how"/in what "sequence" to perform tasks I had been performing for years with no problem. Dialing a phone number can drive me to tears, and we keep a non touch-tone phone available because I cannot follow the instructions on automated systems.  For example, several weeks ago, I tried to obtain my bank balance from my bank’s automated teller system.  After a dozen calls, I was finally able to imput my account number (7 digits) in the correct sequence, only to then face having to imput my social security number.  The part that is difficult to understand, however, is intellectually, I know my phone number, account number and social security number.  I  can almost always verbally tell you what they are. But when I try to press them onto a phone pad, or write them on a piece of paper, they just will not transmit from my brain to my fingers – or even my brain to my mouth to my fingers, although that often helps, if the automated system allows enough time for that. People with these problems find ways to cope –  such as using a touch-tone phone with memory, but it doesn’t take much to throw the coping mechanism off. For example, my husband’s office phone number is in our phones’ memory, but a year ago, his employer added individual extension numbers.  I can "dial" my husband’s office, but there is no way to also put the extension number into the phones memory, and I cannot press the numbers in the correct sequence in the amount of time allotted. The same "defect" exhibits itself in driving or otherwise moving from one place to another.  My son’s former school is on the same street as our home. The only turn I must make to go there is out of our driveway.  I also know how to drive from my home to the post office, several supermarkets and stores, the dry cleaner, the YMCA, the homes of a few friends and a few doctors’ offices, all of which are in a no more than 5 mile radius from the school.   Often, however, I cannot "remember" or "plan" how to drive from the dry cleaner to the school, or from a doctor’s office to the YMCA, without coming either home or close to home – first – even though coming home is out of the way.  I still have written instructions for some of these connections in my car. Indeed, this is the big coping mechanism –  taking the time to write out instructions for everyday tasks that anyone should normally be able to do without even thinking about it.  Not a memory issue – I know and remember that I need to go to both the bank and the post office; but I am forced to sit down with a map and write down how to get from one place to the next – even though I have been to both places hundreds of times. I recall two years ago becoming hysterical in the bank.  Our family was going to Canada and I had a number of tasks to perform at the bank such as getting our passports out of the safe deposit box and putting in the box credit cards that we would not be using, buying travelers checks, etc.  I got the sequence in which these tasks had to be performed so jumbled up that I had to come home, have my husband write out a list of tasks in the order they had to be done and only then could I return to the bank and get the various tasks done. The sequencing problem often occurs in a chain of actions one takes to perform a task that does "not" involve thought.  For example, since the onset of this illness, my table manners which have always been unfailingly correct, are atrocious.  The unconscious action of cutting food, with the switching of position of knife and fork in one’s hands and then causing the cut piece to get into my mouth is often beyond my capability.  I find myself, cutting all of the food on my plate and then eating one thing at a time, simply to be able to eat in the same time frame as my companions – and still be able to focus on part of the conversation.  Often, if I am listening intently, the fork misses my mouth entirely. Last week, I was resting in bed and heard the trash cans start to blow around in the strong wind.  I put a raincoat on over my pajamas and went outside to bring in the empty trash cans.  I dragged the cans to the garage, put them in their place, and pressed the button to close the garage door. Unfortunately I forgot to enter the garage and was standing outside when the garage door began to descend, so I jumped into the garage, fell, hit my head on the track of the garage door and ended up with a possible concussion.  Again, the right tasks, but in the wrong order. The sequencing problems mentioned above are only part of the problem. If any other stimuli are present, all coping mechanisms fail.  By stimuli I mean light, noise, odors, vibration – anything that interferes with intense concentration.  I cannot have a coherent conversation if a TV or radio is playing.  I cannot communicate in person – verbally – with someone wearing noticeable aftershave or perfume.  Sunday evening we were in a restaurant with friends and the overhead track lighting began to flicker, and could not be replaced without disturbing all of the diners.  I could not participate or even follow the conversation from that point on. The lawyer who represented me successfully in my disability claim and has since begun representing other fibromyalgia patients has commented that, once you know more than a few FMS patients, how common our behavior/speech patterns are during interviews and how we all seem to use similar coping mechanisms. She recalled how it drove her a little crazy during our initial meetings, that 5 minutes after discussing something, I would repeat it or ask a question that had just been addressed.  And she is no longer surprised when her FMS clients show up with a relative or close friend in tow as an interpreter/notetaker. In helping me prepare this letter, she reminded me that … read more »

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Since I came in on the end of this, is there a correlation between PCOS and fibromyalgia (which, SURPRISE, I have)? I’m learning so much! Dina

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My hotspot is between the shoulder blades and my sternum, and my hip area off the iliac crest, such terrible pain. For those of you who dont suffer from Fibromyalgia, think back to when you had your last cold virus, remember the whole body ache you experiece? Magnify that many times and that it is long lasting. I have had "flares " that last a month or more. I used to think it was all hormonal because I remembered getting the body aches right before a Provera induced period. Then it started not going away. The dizziness, fogged in brain, ibs etc are both associated with Fibro and PCOS,  wonder if we get a double doseLOL

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I too suffer with Fibro along with pcos and there is a very warm group of people in a chat sponsored by Talk City Chats called Wellness-fibromyalgia (type it in just the way i typed it here). It is a wonderful support group of a tightly knit group of sharing and compassionate friends. Check it out

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I had been on Rez and quit it since the FDA thing.  Ok, people on Rez often had muscle aches anyway, so I couldn’t tell if the occasional ache was from Rez or the Fibro I was diagnosed years ago.  Last night, I suddenly went into pain again and realized the difference.  I had almost forgotten how bad Fibro was and how deep.  While on Rez, I had muscle aches, but felt overall so much better.  Now the awful stiffness and such is back.  It must really be tied in my disorders.  Sheesh. CysterCat  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/8060/PCOS.html PCO/ Type 2 diabetic Member of the PCO Web Ring You are Not Alone

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I had a bad one recently although i think this probably has happened to man people.I drove  out to an Indian reservation for cigarettes,which is a half hour ride,and went to a video rental place i go to when i’m out there.This time i was in a rush,i had gotten some things out of the passenger seat,got out of the car,locked the door and shut it.While i was walking in i heard this noise that seemed out of place,i wondered to myself…….what’s that noise and where is it coming from?I pinned down the direction it was coming from and started heading in it’s direction when i realized it was my car engine!That was a first for me,locked my keys in the car with the engine running! I used to have AAA but no longer and i was miles from anyone i knew who could help.So i figured i’d give AAA a call since my mother had it and see if they’d help.Luckily they have a one time deal where they’ll help out a family member of a card holder or something like that.So they got a tow truck guy with a shimmy out there but with my car being a toyota he couldn’t get it,so they had to call a locksmith who was an hour from closing,he ended up taking an hour to get into my car,i ended up spending something like two hours getting into my car with it running out of gas and no gas station close by.Yikes! Other than that the typical "where did i put that,i just had it" would be my worst experience.A couple of times it was a lighter that within a short timeperiod i’d find in my hand! Sean  

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not to mention the boxes of stuff you packed up to get out of the way until you have time to put it all away. yeah, right.

I can’t believe this. This is me 100 times over. I have been taking Ritalin (5mgs. b.i.d.) for just  three weeks now to augment a course of antidepressant medication. Could I have been ADD for some or all of the last twenty years (i.e., all my adult life)?

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Smart idea! hmmm…<staring at keys jaz

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – once i came out to the parking lot after working a long 11 hour day and realize i’d locked my keys in the car that morning.  worse yet, the car was still running. I solved that problem with money….bot a Crown Vic with a keypad on the door.  I have a knack for remembering numbers, so I just have to remember the code and I can get in anytime.  Good to have some kind of knack, even if I can’t remember where I put my damned keys to even start the car in the morning :::sigh::: — Ann annbal*at*thecia.net 9 is the spam trap!

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<<adricket wrote Oh NO! You just described ME. I’ve been looking up info. for my 5 yr. old son, but it looks like I must have it too.

Me too, and my husband.  I find myself all over the place in Driven to Distraction.  In both our cases it seems to be of a lesser degree than our son, and we both have coping mechanisms that work well.  I see no point in getting diagnosed and so forth in our case since we are happy but if you feel you are always a day late and a dollar short (one of the expressions I have used for years about myself when I am at my worst and that turns out to be a pat description of ADD) then by all means make your own doctor’s appointment. BGraceFild

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Okay, I had to add a few: I used to shop at a local grocery store and leave bags of groceries.  I thought it was them.  After reading this…okay, it was probably me! Locking keys in the car MANY times, sometimes while running And then there was the time I took my holiday gifts out of the car and set them down, only to get distracted and take a phone call and then leave again abruptly…running over the gifts! And the all time embarrassing episode. I was about 12 yrs old and forgot I was only wearing my bikini top.  I stripped off my shorts and started strutting down the dock on a crowded private beach in front of all my friends – just to have a friend point out that I was wearing the goofy orange undies my mom had purchased for me… I’m MUCH better on meds (so THERE to all you anti-med people!)

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This reminds me of the time I drove out of the garage, (this was like, last month) and was rather annoyed when the garage door opener wouldn’t close the stupid door.  Meanwhile, I was wondering what the extension cord was doing in the middle of our snowy driveway, but oh well. Came home, and the door still wouldn’t respond, so I backed the car in (and that pesky cord was *still* there– how’d that happen?), and pulled the cord on the garage door opener so that I could close the door manually.   Went inside and told my husband how stupid the garage door was being, so he went out and looked at it.  Came back inside and said, "Well, dear, you yanked the outlet out."  "How’d I do that?"  "You drove off while the car was still plugged in, and it pulled the socket out– to which was also attached the garage door opener. . ." Later, Pam

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yesterday i bought gas and was pulling out of the station when the lady behind me honked and pointed.  once again i had not closed the little gas door, and over that, i hadn’t put the gas cap back on either. once i came out to the parking lot after working a long 11 hour day and realize i’d locked my keys in the car that morning.  worse yet, the car was still running. my add friend told me of the time she was visiting an important new client. after meeting with the client and collecting many heavy binders of information she stepped into the restroom, assuring the client she could find her way out.  well, she couldn’t.  and after wandering around for a while looking for the door to the stairs, she finally found it!   she stepped through it only to realize that she had just walked onto the roof. the door slammed shut behind her.  rather than pound on it furiously and embarrass herself, she looked around and found the fire escape.  wearing high heels and a short business suit dress, she climbed down five stories with one arm full of binders.   when she got to the ground, she ran directly into the startled client, who was leaving for lunch. jaz

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Oh NO! You just described ME. I’ve been looking up info. for my 5 yr. old son, but it looks like I must have it too.

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Oh NO! You just described ME. I’ve been looking up info. for my 5 yr. old son,<BR but it looks like I must have it too.<BR

You might. Get DX’d by a professional first..and take it from there. This kind of stuff can be indicative of at least 10 different conditions. Peace to the Peacemakers

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(GaryL19379) writes: I often read of methods for curing oneself of diabetes, as well as other diseases say, high blood pressure.  But, it seems to me that when we use the word ‘cure’ we mean the disease is gone and will not return.  So it seems to me that if one is predisposed to contracting diabetes, no matter how healtily one eats for a certain length of time, plus, perhaps, exercising and reducing stress, that if that person later resumes eating in an unhealthy manner and in general living unhealtily, the "cure" they had effected by living healthily for some time, no longer would be in effect, and thus, they were not actually ever cured. Comments?

Cured would be nice, but the operative word is "controlled". Although my MD used the word cured and back-pedaled when I challenged him. Ron — Ron Klein

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Like you I’ve accepted that I’m sick and I have to live with it the best way a can. I also believe that there is more bullshit than reality in "THE CURE". On the other hand, however, I need to believe that I’ll be cured someday. And I do believe in this, and I want to believe in this. Andre Type I since 91 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …I’ve heard enough in the past 16 years. I’ve accepted the fact that I’m sick and try to handle my day the best way I can starting from there.

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I was under the impression that Exercise and Diet was a treatment of certain types of diabetes, and in no way a cure. Treatment < Cure Pete I often read of methods for curing oneself of diabetes, as well as other diseases say, high blood pressure.  But, it seems to me that when we use the word ‘cure’ we mean the disease is gone and will not return.  So it seems to me that if one is predisposed to contracting diabetes, no matter how healtily one eats for a certain length of time, plus, perhaps, exercising and reducing stress, that if that person later resumes eating in an unhealthy manner and in general living unhealtily, the "cure" they had effected by living healthily for some time, no longer would be in effect, and thus, they were not actually ever cured. Comments?

– Peter Marks Please note, creative spelling courtesy of DYSLEXIA

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Amen! I never believe in rumours about a cure because THERE IS NONE TODAY! I’d go crazy if I all the time went around thinking that "tomorrow I’ll be cured". Until I see real proof of a cure (no herbs or something else like that) I don’t believe in any rumours, I’ve heard enough in the past 16 years. I’ve accepted the fact that I’m sick and try to handle my day the best way I can starting from there. //Jenny Type 1 since 1982 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I often read of methods for curing oneself of diabetes, as well as other diseases say, high blood pressure.  But, it seems to me that when we use the word ‘cure’ we mean the disease is gone and will not return.  So it seems to me that if one is predisposed to contracting diabetes, no matter how healtily one eats for a certain length of time, plus, perhaps, exercising and reducing stress, that if that person later resumes eating in an unhealthy manner and in general living unhealtily, the "cure" they had effected by living healthily for some time, no longer would be in effect, and thus, they were not actually ever cured. Comments?

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I often read of methods for curing oneself of diabetes, as well as other diseases say, high blood pressure.  But, it seems to me that when we use the word ‘cure’ we mean the disease is gone and will not return.  So it seems to me that if one is predisposed to contracting diabetes, no matter how healtily one eats for a certain length of time, plus, perhaps, exercising and reducing stress, that if that person later resumes eating in an unhealthy manner and in general living unhealtily, the "cure" they had effected by living healthily for some time, no longer would be in effect, and thus, they were not actually ever cured. Comments?

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